So programmers have not really needed unions because getting more money is easily done, if desired. But they don't find it very difficult at all to look for work, because there is usually a good range of choice as to where a programmer can work. Programmers (and I include myself here) traditionally find it difficult to ask for more money, even though it can be very effective.

You can either ask for a raise, or find somewhere else to work for more money. Unions are the only way for the workers to push back that may be a side benefit, though usually a short-lived one.Д®veryone wants to make more money. Unions are simply another kind of company that over time uses workers to maximize union income. It's not being inherently anti-union, it's understanding human nature. The Hostess example the other guy posted shows clearly enough the same thing applies when unions are in the public sector. When the people with 99% of the money dictateДЄnd you accuse me of dogma. Ben Franklin in particular was outspoken against them. Which by the way, this also explains why trade unions were VERY unpopular during the early years of America. Today such combinations would be subject to antitrust laws. They combined with others in the same trade to secure better fees or prices, which were customarily regulated by local authority for the public interest. In the licensed trades, those who acted in concert were generally the employers. In certain trades, master workers combined to secure or maintain a monopoly of business operations and to prevent others from entering their trades, but such restraints were rapidly diminishing as the eighteenth century advanced. The cases where master carpenters set up price scales for their trade are the exception. When American workers did take concerted action, it was invariably for a specific grievance and did not result in a permanent organization. But in colonial America, as a general rule, the laborer procured the terms desired without having to combine with others. In the eighteenth century something approximating permanent labor organizations or trade unions were beginning to emerge from the industrialization of Great Britain. As another post points out, it is more the character of the worker than his membership in a union that determines the quality of his work. So, for all the good than someone can point out in unions' favor, there are just as many examples of how they eventually fail. Or worse, returned from lunch drunker than they were earlier. Also, he mentioned the senior union members who came in late, left for lunch early, and never returned. Those cars would rattle from the missing and misplaced welds. Some days the workers just didn't care, and made eight welds that were near where they were supposed to be. One story I remember was of the spot welders that were supposed to make a dozen precise welds as the frame moved down the assembly line. One of my teachers in high school also had UAW experience. Stupid and lazy people are not excluded from union membership. It never stopped him from telling us how bad his coworkers and fellow union members were. My father worked for GM and was in the UAW. Also, I'm fed up with the guys putting parts on at the assembly line getting blamed for for shitty American Cars. And continue to get made well in Germany with Union Labor.

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